Betting on your team.
Betting on your team.
As a coach, betting on your team (that they'll win), without rigging anything; would you consider this wrong?
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Re: Betting on your team.
Strange yes, wrong no. Of course you really can't be sure of anything, because you don't know the other team.
I often bet on EotA when I play with friends. Of course things can (and often do) change so fast my bet becomes erroneous.
I often bet on EotA when I play with friends. Of course things can (and often do) change so fast my bet becomes erroneous.
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Re: Betting on your team.
It is wrong, if you bet a large sum of money on your team to win, you will do anything to win the bet, even put your players in serious danger.
Line 'em up.
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Re: Betting on your team.
A conflict of interest is the entanglement of an individual’s private interests with his or her professional obligations, such that an independent observer might reasonably question whether the individual’s professional actions or decisions are improperly influenced by considerations of personal financial gain.
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Re: Betting on your team.
Notice how Pehaps stated: Without it being rigged, I think that was the entire point.jamn455 wrote:It is wrong, if you bet a large sum of money on your team to win, you will do anything to win the bet, even put your players in serious danger.
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Re: Betting on your team.
Rigging a game does not mean putting your players in serious harm by making them play outside of their potential. That is just pushing them past their physical threshold because you do not want to lose money. You are not manipulating any part of the rules of the game, or the referees for that case, but you are pushing your team to a terrible extent which can destroy people's careers.DarkNemesis wrote:Notice how Pehaps stated: Without it being rigged, I think that was the entire point.jamn455 wrote:It is wrong, if you bet a large sum of money on your team to win, you will do anything to win the bet, even put your players in serious danger.
Line 'em up.
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Re: Betting on your team.
There are two major parts to this:Kibiyama wrote:A conflict of interest is the entanglement of an individual’s private interests with his or her professional obligations, such that an independent observer might reasonably question whether the individual’s professional actions or decisions are improperly influenced by considerations of personal financial gain.
Apparent conflict of interest, or what an outside party could view as a conflict of interest, and...
Actual conflict of interest.
Betting on your team is an apparent conflict of interest. If you manipulate the game, it is then an actual conflict of interest.
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Re: Betting on your team.
No, conflict of interest can be the mere appearance of wrongdoing. This usually only applies to public officials and stuff, though -- people whose ethical duties rely on the trust of the people they serve. But it could apply to a coach, too. If the players stop trusting him because of this apparent conflict of interest, then he's failed them, and he's done something unethical regardless of whether it was a "true conflict of interest."Storamin wrote:Betting on your team is an apparent conflict of interest. If you manipulate the game, it is then an actual conflict of interest.
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Re: Betting on your team.
Are you whipping them to make them run faster or something? I'm probably showing my lack of sports knowledge here, but aren't the players supposed to be giving their all anyway? It's not like there's a minefield you can order them to charge through (unless the sport is Extreme Beachead Assault).jamn455 wrote:Rigging a game does not mean putting your players in serious harm by making them play outside of their potential. That is just pushing them past their physical threshold because you do not want to lose money. You are not manipulating any part of the rules of the game, or the referees for that case, but you are pushing your team to a terrible extent which can destroy people's careers.DarkNemesis wrote:Notice how Pehaps stated: Without it being rigged, I think that was the entire point.jamn455 wrote:It is wrong, if you bet a large sum of money on your team to win, you will do anything to win the bet, even put your players in serious danger.
I don't see how it's even an apparent conflict of interest: the coach's job is winning the game, which does not conflict with winning the game to win a bet.
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Re: Betting on your team.
Kibiyama wrote:No, conflict of interest can be the mere appearance of wrongdoing. This usually only applies to public officials and stuff, though -- people whose ethical duties rely on the trust of the people they serve. But it could apply to a coach, too. If the players stop trusting him because of this apparent conflict of interest, then he's failed them, and he's done something unethical regardless of whether it was a "true conflict of interest."Storamin wrote:Betting on your team is an apparent conflict of interest. If you manipulate the game, it is then an actual conflict of interest.
that's what i said.
there's different types of conflict of interest.
aparant conflict of interest vs actual conlict of interest.
note the key phrase in BOTH: conflict of interest.