Eve of the Apocalypse: Twilight

Reminder to replace Expose talent for Lich. I'm not actually sure why I'm suppose to replace it except for updating the tooltip since Remorseless is gone. I did, however, find a bug with it making it near useless. There seems to be a bug with Soulmate's attribute reduction for enemies. It goes away...

Something still feels suspicious about Soul Strike. I got -s to say 329 damage per second, but when I actually used it against a hero, I reduced the health from 1007 to 244 and 1200 to 435, meaning ~765 damage (not factoring hero regeneration). The hero only had Dragonscale Mask 3% magic resistance...

FYI most of the balance changes are up

http://eota.emufarmers.com/wiki/Next_Version#Heroes

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I've decided to go with option #2. While I have some concerns about the side effects, I generally feel like people will be happier with higher health pools. Plus, items used to compete with other team resources for gold expenditures, most of which have now been eliminated so item purchasing is far m...

the 10 hp is for everyone or only for the str ones

Everyone.

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Yak giving jou gold after killing him

Lmao oops I obviously clicked on the wrong name. I thought you couldn't even trade to enemy teams though...

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About the Angelstone nerf, the health regeneration makes it easy to not have to use the active. At +5 angelstone gives 5 regen and the active heals 700...that's still 140 seconds of regen required. 100 seconds if you factor in average hero regen. Besides it not the active that's the problem, or the...

So after doing some balancing passes on the raw data, I can get well rounded builds to balance out well but heroes maxing out their dps is still completely broken in favor of strength based skills. Buffing casters to numerically balance out quickly got to completely insane numbers (some of the spell...

I'm not going to criticize people's numbers, but its clear I did at least a partially bad job explaining things. Blade Rain 110% Blade Rain 115% Blade Rain 110% First, I intended it to be based off a 100% perfect hit. Blade rain is pure damage (unless you're including talents, which idk how much peo...

BTW, Anon games today - Fruit themed names preferred!

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Another perspective of Balance Ratio would be BR = (Health * DPS)/(Avg. Health * Avg. DPS), which means that a hero with average health and average dps would have a BR of 1. This simply adjusts the original BR by a scale factor and changes the context to something that is not purely DPS nor Health ...

This will be elaborated on a bit more in an upcoming post in the balance thread, but you don't need to know anything going on in that thread to respond to this. So basically, I'm asking for people to reply to this post with their personal list of "fudge" factors on the various heroes and d...

Version 1.15 changes

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Oops, I forgot to flag 1.15b4 as the new release here.

Thanks for the comments.

DarnYak

Income is obviously very important but since its rather difficult to calculate it has to be left out of these models. If we had actual game data we could get statistics that way but that's not realistic in wc3. Question 1: Should total armor and health regeneration be considered for the Balance Rati...

Ok, one more. The same as the previous charts, except sorted by strength heroes instead of alphabetical. I think it says something.
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So it turns out I wasn't quite done yet. After posting a crapton of numbers, I'm not sure they had any sufficient context to explain anything. Also random note: I'm using average health, but I probably should be using median (in the last data set its ~1800 average, ~1400 median - with no items its ~...

...what?

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Here's the last charts I'm currently planning on creating. This is the maximum damage output item builds, ie focus entirely on you're main stat forsaking any items purely for survivability. Str heroes: Devil's Smirk, Ring of Might x 2 (only 3 items, Total: 10370 Gold) Str heroes with int nukes: Mind...

So here's data with items mixed in. I'm going to call these "well rounded" item sets because...well, they seem to be. Item list was provided by watermelon (all items are +5). Str heroes: Angelstone, Devil's Smirk, Hydra Mail, Dragonscale Mask (Total: 12705 gold) Str heroes with int nukes: ...

Yea, everything assumes absolute max damage (when reasonable to calculate).

DarnYak

Here's some updated charts to include all heroes and every non-ult damage skill I could reasonably calculate a number for. Sorry about the shrunken font, no other easy way to keep them on one page.
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W/e I'll add them and update the posts, doesn't take that much effort to finish off the list.

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Heroes only got added when their spells were added. Spells were added only when they're damage was predictable (or they're leftover from the healing data). I'll probably add the heroes (not the spells) for the item version for better verification of the averages.

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