<NP> Runeshell and Dive...

[Shadow.M4L]

Iam not sure, but using Runeshell agains the Gargoyle negates the spell Completly Oo
Also it seems that Dive does not even scratch Runeshell abit. I noticed that several times and feeled rather useless in a 1on1 with the Gargoyle agains the Rune Knight.

Ofcourse iam an noob with the Gargoyle but... i had no chance agains him.

[mianmian]

YES! His weakness is found, QQ beware use RK!! No more bitching about Plight! GG for Creeps I guess

On a more serious note, are you sure you just werent doing enough damage? Level 6 Rune Shell blocks about 666ish damage per cast and multiple casts stack (50% of the subsequent casts diminishe deach time, so 50% then 25% then 12.5%) capping at 3 casts iirc.

Dive dosent do a lot of damage its more units attacking it while your holding the unit from my expiriences

Also if RK has more STR, you wont even pick him up, negating a lot of damage, so I dunno

[Tehw00tz]

Icespinner and Arcane Mistress are also good counters against Plight.

[Dekar]

You can even kill garg with scarab.

Just run around to evade dive, nuke it all the time and heal after a dive to get longest duration possible.
Use nightmare to get away, stop dive, wait for nuke cd, whatever you like.

[Shadow.M4L]

Ok we had another game on Candle, god this was hilarious some public played Plight and some average public played RK. He buffed every Teammate and the Garg did for the most time 0 damage.
He was like wtf shit map shit hero but we tryed to tell him that its a good hero. But still he didnt leave^^

[Kibiyama]

Level 6 Rune Shell blocks about 666ish damage per cast and multiple casts stack (50% of the subsequent casts diminishe deach time, so 50% then 25% then 12.5%) capping at 3 casts iirc.

The limit approaches 200%. So 1332 would be the theoretical maximum for that. But if wc3 math uses integers only, it will be a bit less because they always round down.

[DarnYak]

Rune shell definately prevents his healing (intended), but I see no reason to believe rune shell's health isnt' diminished for damage absorbed, or in preventing pickups (rk just has more str by default, and probably had items to support it)

DarnYak

[Shadow.M4L]

Ahh lol i though when you dive you need to damage him first to pick up. But seems i was wrong.
Stupid me i cant remember if he was able to pick him up and do damage. Caus the Garg was strenght build and the RK was int build.
And both was at the same level.

[Hammel]

Btw, I think the damage numbers appearing are calculated by the actual health loss... and when the RK doesnt lose health due to Rune Shell, spells seem to do 0 damage to him (in case you try to use dive against a lone RK with Rune Shell, but no spawns around)...

[Shadow.M4L]

Funny thing was, he dived trough 10 spawns hit the RK and there was a ZERO! but the creeps was damaged Oo

[mianmian]

A lot of spells, expcially if there PK spells (like Dive) will only show a number if they do damage to a Hero.

No one cares if you do 135 damage to 7 creeps

[Shadow.M4L]

ahh ok.. though it was a damage system for everything you damage.
thanks for clearing this then

[BLUEPOWERVAN]

re: plight vs scarab. I don't see scarab being particularly good against plight. Does nightmare even affect fliers? Your strat just boils down to "evade his dives and nuke"... and he is hardly the best at evasion (with his fatness) or nuking. Healing after dive -> lvl 1 gaze.

[Dekar]

Sleep affects air units.

Ofc you dont want to stand around doing nothing and getting owned, I dont think thats a good way for any hero ( but runeknight? ) to deal with garg, as 3 of gargs skills need to be targeted on ground and have a delay until they hit the ground.

You should be able to sleep the garg at terrasmash, so you wont have to deal with slow while running away and evading dive and smite still deals 30% hp damage, even to a 6k hp garg and it will make the garg think again about killing you after the third smite.

And yes its a little bit mathcraft as I didnt had the joy to play against a really really pro garg player.

[jamn455]

The 0 is how much damage you do to his life, so you are still doing damage to the shell. Last night I was playing against a rune knight and I was doing quite good damage against the rune knight even with him getting shell after shell on. And still with massive strength, killing him is a very hard thing to do, you try to kill a 6k health monster than can run away and even if he doesnt he can do a shitload of damage in the time of that.