Eve of the Apocalypse: Twilight

I'd say 2-3 years. Would be nice if it were sooner, but I don't see this happening with Obama, or any president for that matter. Although I didn't vote for Obama, I am hopeful he can pull us out of this mess without digging us deeper by socializing and taxing everything.

The U.S. needs to market bacchikoi. Let's do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

Perhaps wrote:The U.S. needs to market bacchikoi. Let's do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

Well, no offense Perhaps, but thank God you're not on Obama's advisinig team.

It's pretty clear that he was on Bush's advising team.

jamn455 wrote:It's pretty clear that he was on Bush's advising team.

You're forgetting nitwits like Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton.

HE'S A TROLLIN MACHINE

The enconomy will improve once people believe it will. (Self-fulfilling prophecy.)

Laser_Wolf wrote:The enconomy will improve once people believe it will. (Self-fulfilling prophecy.)

QFT

The economy was doing incredibly well despite the various challanges, untill everyone became convinced it was going to hell. Now they're planning to close thousands of profitable stores just because they're not profitable enough, which doesn't really make any sense.

And people need to stop paying attention to Wall Street. Its not representative of the economy, yet everyone pretends it is.

DarnYak

DarkNemesis wrote:

jamn455 wrote:It's pretty clear that he was on Bush's advising team.

You're forgetting nitwits like Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton.

Oh, I forgot that the economy was terrible when Bill Clinton was president. Damn, if only that were the least bit true.

DarnYak wrote:

Laser_Wolf wrote:The enconomy will improve once people believe it will. (Self-fulfilling prophecy.)

QFT

The economy was doing incredibly well despite the various challanges, untill everyone became convinced it was going to hell. Now they're planning to close thousands of profitable stores just because they're not profitable enough, which doesn't really make any sense.

And people need to stop paying attention to Wall Street. Its not representative of the economy, yet everyone pretends it is.

DarnYak

Very true. Rather, the success of our economy is largely dependent upon consumers, and how much they...well, consume.

The worst thing Obama could do right now is to tax the 5% he says hes planning to. What he fails to realize is that five percent are the businesses, the ones that create jobs.

Plus remove the Bush tax cuts which the liberals are too stupid to accept that they actually, for the most part, worked.

Which was mostly timing luck, not Clinton's doing. And a lot of Clinton policies didn't take full effect untill after he left office (NAFTA's the prime example, also the current mortgage crisis began with Clinton policies that Bush idiotically choose to expand upon)

Plus remove the Bush tax cuts which the liberals are too stupid to accept that they actually, for the most part, worked.

They're not planning to remove them anytime soon for a reason. Oh they'll bitch non stop about pandering to the rich, but they don't plan to actually change it till 2011 at earliest.

DarnYak

I think it is great where the economy is right now. It is teaching the American people many good life lessons.

Like if you fuck up bad enough, the government will take care of you?

DarnYak

More like how people can live if they just buy what they need. People are learning to use consumable goods more sparingly. Yes, this does not help the economy get out of the hole, but hopefully when the economy gets out of the hole, these people will take these lessons along with it and they will live better lives in the long run.

DarnYak wrote:Like if you fuck up bad enough, the government will take care of you?

DarnYak

This statement is truly iconic, kudos to DarnYak.

jamn455 wrote:More like how people can live if they just buy what they need. People are learning to use consumable goods more sparingly. Yes, this does not help the economy get out of the hole, but hopefully when the economy gets out of the hole, these people will take these lessons along with it and they will live better lives in the long run.

"By desiring little, a poor man makes himself rich." pointed out by a guy a few thousand years ago, I don't think humanity will ever learn. >_>

This topic has gotten somewhat serious, and I can't have that. So...

"Arrrrr thilly!"

• Federal government's too big, bloated, and powerful.
• We keep going deeper in debt to pay for "special programs" that are billed to us as an economic panacea, but are in reality a short-term kickback to specific industries to keep them happy for a couple years -- hence giving the appearance that the economy is great.
• We no longer have a free market. We have a tangled web of rules -- contradictory, outdated, sometimes outright screwing the "Average Joe" in favor of big business.
• Nobody run on a platform of getting rid of the bullshit that got passed by the last guy, which is what we need -- they always run on a platform of adding more bullshit, because that's what the businesses want.
• We're dead scared we are of letting any business die. Businesses are supposed to come and go, evolve or get replaced by a new company.
• Everything is owned by a very small number (about 6) of big businesses.
• We spend money like it's nothing, we print money like it's nothing, and as a result it has become nothing.
• The executive branch has become too powerful, and as a result stolen the spotlight. For example, we talk about the president as if he's the one setting the budget or raising/lowering taxes. (in b4 veto)

We have really, really big problems, but nobody talks about them because we're too busy quibbling about this pointless shit.

Also, DarkNemesis, you are a huge tool.

Also, Perhaps is a faggot.

Kibiyama wrote: Also, Perhaps is a faggot.

Second

Ok ok, guys, back to the original point of the thread.

Vote on your thoughts please

My thought is that this thread has a retarded premise. And also that Perhaps is a faggot.

Kibiyama wrote:My thought is that this thread has a retarded premise. And also that Perhaps is a faggot.

Or that perhaps your posts are retarded.

I can't tell whether or not that was a direct address to kib or perhaps

Kibiyama wrote:My thought is that this thread has a retarded premise. And also that Perhaps is a faggot.

And yet...you still post here.

I think maybe you've got the psychological problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiology?