Verdant Falls Feedback
Verdant Falls Feedback
Here's an overview of the map since its not all clear in game:
3 Lanes
Each lane has a shrine in it (marked by a Font)
Every 5 minutes or so, there will be a warning that a shrine is about to activate. After 15 seconds, it begins the activation proces (marked by the 2 statues channeling the Font). During this time, every 2 seconds credit is given for each hero within range of the Font. At the end, tower cores are awarded and divided based on the credit earned during this time.
After that, it turns into a King of the Hill for control of the Font. Whenever only one side has heroes left in range, the shrine switches control to that team and grants them a spawn wave. Repeated successful captures of a shrine spawn bigger waves.
From the time activation begins to the time capture completes, all heroes that entered the battle for a shrine become with 0 gold and 3 crystal. In addition, their respawn is suspended until the shrine is captured, at which point all heroes immediately respawn.
DarnYak
3 Lanes
Each lane has a shrine in it (marked by a Font)
Every 5 minutes or so, there will be a warning that a shrine is about to activate. After 15 seconds, it begins the activation proces (marked by the 2 statues channeling the Font). During this time, every 2 seconds credit is given for each hero within range of the Font. At the end, tower cores are awarded and divided based on the credit earned during this time.
After that, it turns into a King of the Hill for control of the Font. Whenever only one side has heroes left in range, the shrine switches control to that team and grants them a spawn wave. Repeated successful captures of a shrine spawn bigger waves.
From the time activation begins to the time capture completes, all heroes that entered the battle for a shrine become with 0 gold and 3 crystal. In addition, their respawn is suspended until the shrine is captured, at which point all heroes immediately respawn.
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Maybe you should add a effect circle so we can see the area we are supposed to stay in?
Or change the terrain to a circle if that isnt the case yet. Didnt look for that without knowing how it worked.
Or change the terrain to a circle if that isnt the case yet. Didnt look for that without knowing how it worked.
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
just some observations from the game I just played
On capturing Fonts and Tower cores allotted
1st Font - Font of Tides (Right Lane) Had 50%-83% control when captured, awarded 1 tower core, Gained small spawn wave
2nd Font - Font of Tides again, Had 100% control the entire time, awarded 0 tower cores, Gained a larger spawn wave.
3rd Font - Font of Tides again, 100% control the whole time, awarded 2 tower cores, Gained large spawn wave + naga hero
4th Font - Font of Zenith, 100% control, 1 tower core, small spawn wave
5th Font - Font of Growth, 100% control, 1 tower core, small spawn wave
6th Font - Font of Tides, 100% control, 2 tower cores, back to small spawn wave.
7th Font - Font of Growth, 100% control, 2 tower cores, medium spawn wave.
The game crashed around when the 8th Font would have become active, I can supply crash report if desired.
Thoughts: Gameplay is very fast and fun. The spawn waves seem to be a nice bonus early game but seem to lack a punch later on. Since I saw the naga hero at the 3rd spawn and he seemed to be like a permanent merc hero, I assume that the other fonts award something similar. Oh and is the naga hero supposed to do more than auto-attack and run around?
On capturing Fonts and Tower cores allotted
1st Font - Font of Tides (Right Lane) Had 50%-83% control when captured, awarded 1 tower core, Gained small spawn wave
2nd Font - Font of Tides again, Had 100% control the entire time, awarded 0 tower cores, Gained a larger spawn wave.
3rd Font - Font of Tides again, 100% control the whole time, awarded 2 tower cores, Gained large spawn wave + naga hero
4th Font - Font of Zenith, 100% control, 1 tower core, small spawn wave
5th Font - Font of Growth, 100% control, 1 tower core, small spawn wave
6th Font - Font of Tides, 100% control, 2 tower cores, back to small spawn wave.
7th Font - Font of Growth, 100% control, 2 tower cores, medium spawn wave.
The game crashed around when the 8th Font would have become active, I can supply crash report if desired.
Thoughts: Gameplay is very fast and fun. The spawn waves seem to be a nice bonus early game but seem to lack a punch later on. Since I saw the naga hero at the 3rd spawn and he seemed to be like a permanent merc hero, I assume that the other fonts award something similar. Oh and is the naga hero supposed to do more than auto-attack and run around?
Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Crash report wouldn't hurt. Unless it's somehow just an out of memory error (how long was the game?)
As for the cores awarded: It currently is set up to award 1.5 cores per capture, split based on percentages. I may have it increase the cores awarded over time, undecided.
Also debating on increasing the interval at which shrines activate. It just seems a little too far inbetween at the moment.
BTW, i'm also looking for feedback on the map terrain/design/layout. And I hate any of you that think i copied DotA, I spent a few hours trying to come up with a 3 lane design that didn't end up coming out effectively the same.
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That's part of what's unfinished this version. And yes, all the shrines have their own hero.Oh and is the naga hero supposed to do more than auto-attack and run around?
As for the cores awarded: It currently is set up to award 1.5 cores per capture, split based on percentages. I may have it increase the cores awarded over time, undecided.
Also debating on increasing the interval at which shrines activate. It just seems a little too far inbetween at the moment.
Yea, initially I had the spawns insanely strong, now I think I need to go back and rebuff them a little. Also didnt help all my early tests were very early game shrines (shines had a 5 second instead of 5 minute interval) against at most 1 hero.The spawn waves seem to be a nice bonus early game but seem to lack a punch later on.
BTW, i'm also looking for feedback on the map terrain/design/layout. And I hate any of you that think i copied DotA, I spent a few hours trying to come up with a 3 lane design that didn't end up coming out effectively the same.
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
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Overall I like the layout of the map, although there are plenty of places that may be irritating to people because of how you can weave in and out of the lanes through the forested areas and force LoS issues. The only thing that reminded me of DotA was the map shape and that is only the case of that one DotA - Darkness Falls from forever ago. And thinking back I believe that was a narrower map than verdant falls
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
I personally liked Verdant Falls, it's a nice alternative to Candleburg. What I like about it most is all the winding forest paths and there is almost no barrier in between, resulting in the whole thing actually being one giant killing ground, and units only go down the paths yet can go pretty much anywhere. Also the fact that the gold mines are located IN those lanes rather than at bases makes holding the advantage in ground all the more important, this combined with the whole fonts thing makes for a very chaotic game where the situation can change in a split-second. Love it, Yak. Love it.
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
I agree, the new map is excellent. I'm not sure why you were worried people would shout DotA just because it's 3 lanes...
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Because that was said within 10 seconds of the first game starting? ;PCokemonkey11 wrote:I'm not sure why you were worried people would shout DotA just because it's 3 lanes...
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Come on, it was 3 lanes without any outposts and the bases bottom left and top right with shops scattered in the forest. How does that not look like DotA if you saw it for only 5 seconds. Softmints just changed the terrain of RoW ( if anyone of you remembers it ) to DotA style, too.
The external goldmines should be a nice incentive to push, but there is only one on the middle lane? That gives the lane significantly more importance.
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Dekar: the ultimate ocean themed hero should buff and depend on spawn waves!
DarnYak: why is that
Dekar: WAVES
Dekar:
DarnYak: i was afraid that was the answer
Dekar: the ultimate ocean themed hero should buff and depend on spawn waves!
DarnYak: why is that
Dekar: WAVES
Dekar:
DarnYak: i was afraid that was the answer
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
I'm not disputing that the layout, in very broad terms, is the same. Just saying I dont want peopel bitching that I copied DotA, becuase the only wayt o not have a 3 lane map not look liek dota is switch the corners, and then it's just DotA rotated 90 degrees ;PDekar wrote:Come on, it was 3 lanes without any outposts and the bases bottom left and top right with shops scattered in the forest. How does that not look like DotA if you saw it for only 5 seconds. Softmints just changed the terrain of RoW ( if anyone of you remembers it ) to DotA style, too.
There's two per side, both sort of close to each other but in different lanes.The external goldmines should be a nice incentive to push, but there is only one on the middle lane? That gives the lane significantly more importance.
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
I'ts about 6 years to late for that one yak, you made an AoS therefor you copied DotA!!!DarnYak wrote:Just saying I dont want peopel bitching that I copied DotA
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Just FYI, I'm changing the shrine activation from 6-8 minutes to 3-5 minutes (the first one will be 5-7 mins, for a little extra delay for people to level)
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Question: so does an hiding infiltrator still gain the points around the shrine?
Also I was thinking a cool improvement would be the comps using their tower cores for unit towers just an idea.
Also I was thinking a cool improvement would be the comps using their tower cores for unit towers just an idea.
Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
Yes. I was originally planning to not allow that, but decided players can deal with it. That does, however, remind me that I don't think I added anti-invisibility code for dealing with the moontears.Zdig25 wrote:Question: so does an hiding infiltrator still gain the points around the shrine?
There was going to be an AI for all comp teams at one point, but never had time to properly impliment it.Also I was thinking a cool improvement would be the comps using their tower cores for unit towers
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Re: Verdant Falls Feedback
BTW, I've further reduced the delay between shrine battles to be randomly 1.5m-4m (from 3-5m). I'm trying to find a happy medium where they're frequent enough, but not so frequent you have no time to do normal lane pushing.
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