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#26 Post by Luftwaffles »

I was on limited time inbetween classes so I couldn't read the whole article, which included the explaination you quoted. I just found their list of questions they evaluated and didn't see any reason to the low score. Wasn't trying to mischaractize the scoring.

I'll go over it in more detail tomorrow (maybe). Busy tonight.
I think what would be mostly misleading about the scores is it fails to take into the account the sheer enormity of places like the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia etc. Now I'm not saying Russia's a perfect little democracy, but I'm sure voter participation, civil liberties and democratic culture vary between Tsentralny Okrug and the outskirts of Magadan (and I'd be willing to throw it out they vary significantly). In the United States too different states have different laws and culture varies a bit from place to place. Some are on par with places in Europe in terms of things like health care availability and I'm sure if you compared some place like New Hampshire or Connecticut with Alabama you'd get different results for each using the same criteria of that index.
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#27 Post by Storamin »

I cannot speak for my undergrad experience. maybe yours was better, but i went to a top 10% school in the U.S.

But my masters at a top 50 b-school, and top 5 in my field, would blow the shit out of any Serbian business school. literally.

that is all.
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Storamin wrote:I cannot speak for my undergrad experience. maybe yours was better, but i went to a top 10% school in the U.S.

But my masters at a top 50 b-school, and top 5 in my field, would blow the shit out of any Serbian business school. literally.

that is all.
Just to put this into perspective, this guy once spent literally 30 minutes trying to convince me that I'm ToX. "I'm an auditor, it's part of my job to notice small things like your subtle language giveaways."

And he wasn't kidding.
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You aren't ToX?
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Ad hominems aside, how do Serbian universities compare with American/Western universities? By that I just don't mean general ranking (those are more a measure of prestige than learning quality and substance) I mean how do Serbian students fare internationally, are learning approaches significantly different from the U.S. etc.
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#31 Post by Tehw00tz »

I HEARD THAT ALIENFROMBEYOND IS TOX



CONFIRM OR DENY DISCO, SINCE YOU ARE TOX AFTER ALL.
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Luftwaffles wrote:Ad hominems aside, how do Serbian universities compare with American/Western universities? By that I just don't mean general ranking (those are more a measure of prestige than learning quality and substance) I mean how do Serbian students fare internationally, are learning approaches significantly different from the U.S. etc.
Few Serbian students actually go abroad to study or work. Language barriers aren't a very big problem, as most people, especially students, speak English, often something else, too. The EU and the West, in general, are percieved as places with a lot better standard of living (which they are), it's also thought that you have to work your ass off to achieve that standard. Most people here actually work very little by Western standards. They reason that they don't want to work 50% more for a 25% better life. Therefore, the majority of people who go abroad for any meaningful periods of work or study are very ambitious and capable.

I don't have any statistics in English, but our students who do go to foreign universities almost always fare very well. Those are obviously far from average Serbian students so it's impossible to compare students from Serbia and America (for example) that way.

As for learning approaches, we're following the Bologna process and should theoretically be teaching the same things the same way as other European universities. However, not everything from Bologna is implemented yet. There's a lot of leftovers from the old socialist system. For example, I got my 60 ECTS credits this year, like any Bologna student, but I wasn't required to attend any lectures, which I'm extremely thankful for. Practice (as close as you can get to practice for pre-clinical exams) was mandatory, though. That differs from faculty to faculty, though. Law students don't really have to go to class at all, language and literature students have to attend everything.

I don't know very much about the American (or Canadian, or any other) school system, so I can't give any detailed or specific comments about the differences in teaching approaches. However, the general impression I hear from those who've seen both our and foreign universities is that we learn more theoretical and less practical stuff. The justification I is that bachelor's degrees are academic degrees, and that a bird's eye view of the studied subject is what they're supposed to provide. There's a number of jobs one can do after they get their BA, so it would be impossible for the faculty to teach its students everything they could possibly do. Instead, they provide a theoretical foundation for whatever you learn at work.

I hope that answered your question.
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#34 Post by Luftwaffles »

Yeah it did answer it pretty good. I'm like you on the other end in that I know jack shit about any other school system but Canada (I guess I'm familiar with the US one though) and I'd never given it much thought up until now.
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Discombobulator wrote:
Storamin wrote:I cannot speak for my undergrad experience. maybe yours was better, but i went to a top 10% school in the U.S.

But my masters at a top 50 b-school, and top 5 in my field, would blow the shit out of any Serbian business school. literally.

that is all.
Just to put this into perspective, this guy once spent literally 30 minutes trying to convince me that I'm ToX. "I'm an auditor, it's part of my job to notice small things like your subtle language giveaways."

And he wasn't kidding.
it's called dicking around. basically what i try to do in some free time :)
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I'm~ coming on so you better get this party started.
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