I don't know how well this would work, but what if one spawn in every wave was given an Aura that boosted the damage of all nearby allies by... Let's say ten.
It would add a bit more strategy for heroes, since you'd need to take them down quickly so that your spawns could steamroller them, and you'd want to try and heal your own Captain. What do you think?
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Hm, Elle, on the mercs. Perhaps the 1st level mercs can give a small attack speed bonus, the second would give a Brilliance Aura effect, and the third level would be a damage bonus of, say, 20? (Subject to modifcation on how much attack speed, mana regen, and damage bonus.)
On the idea itself, I like the idea of elite spawns. Maybe have a % chance to replace a regular unit with an Elite spawn? (If that's not what you said, I got the impression yours would add to the wave, not replace a unit.) Heck, the Elves' units would already exist, just act as though the unit had been Promoted. (Random Swordsman turns into Squire, Archer to Hunter, etc.)
On the idea itself, I like the idea of elite spawns. Maybe have a % chance to replace a regular unit with an Elite spawn? (If that's not what you said, I got the impression yours would add to the wave, not replace a unit.) Heck, the Elves' units would already exist, just act as though the unit had been Promoted. (Random Swordsman turns into Squire, Archer to Hunter, etc.)
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Mian, yea, you're right, mana regen wouldn't help much. Maybe an increased spell damage then, by a slight percent? I know the tier 2s tend to cast Chain Lightning...
As for the random spawn thing, I'd suggest a trigger that starts it off at, say, 10 (I'm just using this number as an example) minutes into the game or something. Rethinking my 'Promoted Units' idea earlier, just add a Critical Strike ability to the unit and a small damage increase aura affecting creeps only? It'd be better, but not insurmountably so. And 10 min into the game would make it so that the teams are relatively well established.
Furion, I can see that being a huge make-or-break. IE, the Infiltrator's mine farms. She gets a bunch of money from 'em, saves it, then does the 'commander/stronger unit' at every base. That'd be really nasty.
As for the random spawn thing, I'd suggest a trigger that starts it off at, say, 10 (I'm just using this number as an example) minutes into the game or something. Rethinking my 'Promoted Units' idea earlier, just add a Critical Strike ability to the unit and a small damage increase aura affecting creeps only? It'd be better, but not insurmountably so. And 10 min into the game would make it so that the teams are relatively well established.
Furion, I can see that being a huge make-or-break. IE, the Infiltrator's mine farms. She gets a bunch of money from 'em, saves it, then does the 'commander/stronger unit' at every base. That'd be really nasty.
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well she could do that with the current mercs as well ...
and to prevent it from sending troops with commanders at all lanes at once you could limit them
maybe send them only from your main castle to a choosen lane
while max 2 or 3 at once are allowed
and to prevent it from sending troops with commanders at all lanes at once you could limit them
maybe send them only from your main castle to a choosen lane
while max 2 or 3 at once are allowed
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that would be good, so its not to random and it still cant overwhelm since its only all ten waves, what would (despite the spawn timer is set to 5 secs) take some time
but how strong would you suggest the commander to be?
i mean a single unit can be taken out easy normaly
but how strong would you suggest the commander to be?
i mean a single unit can be taken out easy normaly
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Furion, take a Footman/Furbolg, add, say, 5 damage, an ability that reduces damage, and an ability that incraeses all nearby allies' damage by 5. (Doesn't target heros.) This way, the unit can be killed by hero spells, but the creep waves get a substantial bonus from keeping the Captain alive.
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When the commander has as much hp as a normal unit, DW, AM and many other things would own them away, no matter what, and the system would be useless, especially when they only spawn every tenth wave. Making them too strong however could screw a whole team when they just arrive with a huge push.
What about implementing them on upgrade basis? For 700 mana (or somehing) another one spawns every X waves from a (random?) outpost. That would also enable different kinds of commanders, like a caster commander with +evoc dam aura and stronger spells, like a Tact promo sorc. Footman gives +armor, Archer commander gives +dmg to anyone, supply-commander (magical cart) gives healing (like a weak FotD), such things...
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What about implementing them on upgrade basis? For 700 mana (or somehing) another one spawns every X waves from a (random?) outpost. That would also enable different kinds of commanders, like a caster commander with +evoc dam aura and stronger spells, like a Tact promo sorc. Footman gives +armor, Archer commander gives +dmg to anyone, supply-commander (magical cart) gives healing (like a weak FotD), such things...
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Alien, that'd just turn it into a race to upgrade Town Halls.
Hammel, I like the idea of different 'Captains' but where does this 700 mana come from, the Unit Upgrader? Or the hero? Or what...?
Hammel, I like the idea of different 'Captains' but where does this 700 mana come from, the Unit Upgrader? Or the hero? Or what...?
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Unit upgrade building, right. As I mentioned ^^. Since it is an overall upgrade for your army, it would fit.
Btw: Different captain types via upgrades might also lead to further specialization of upgrades used. Atm you can go for this melee up and that ranged and a caster one, with captain spawns focusing on a single type might give an advantage... depending on which upgrades they captains use and stuff and dunno ^^
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Btw: Different captain types via upgrades might also lead to further specialization of upgrades used. Atm you can go for this melee up and that ranged and a caster one, with captain spawns focusing on a single type might give an advantage... depending on which upgrades they captains use and stuff and dunno ^^
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"On upgrade basis" Made me think that it came when you did X researches.
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I like the idea of spawning stronger units every x wave. Anyone played 11th hour? every 3rd wave, the spawns would get a strong ranged unit and 5th wave 2 big bad tanks, then it would be reset.
That kind of thing would be cool and break the monotony of regular waves.
I'm thoroughly against the idea of a % chance though, as it would be based on unfair luck. I'm also against the upgrade thing, as you have enough things to do with upgrade mana as it is.
That kind of thing would be cool and break the monotony of regular waves.
I'm thoroughly against the idea of a % chance though, as it would be based on unfair luck. I'm also against the upgrade thing, as you have enough things to do with upgrade mana as it is.
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Konnar, they all hate 11H. A % chance way isn't good, as Konnar said, because of luck (unless it's a % chance for corresponding bases/lanes to spawn them)Konnar wrote:I like the idea of spawning stronger units every x wave. Anyone played 11th hour? every 3rd wave, the spawns would get a strong ranged unit and 5th wave 2 big bad tanks, then it would be reset.
That kind of thing would be cool and break the monotony of regular waves.
I'm thoroughly against the idea of a % chance though, as it would be based on unfair luck. I'm also against the upgrade thing, as you have enough things to do with upgrade mana as it is.
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Yeah...unfortunate but true...Tehw00tz wrote:If that tank spawns per every X wave it'd look like the map maker were doing it because DotA did it. I'm not saying thats the reason, thats how the public thinks.
Still, it's a cool idea, it'd add more variety to the map.
I shall forever continue my search for the elusive phat lewt.
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