To allow, or not to allow.....the question about gay rights.

[Luftwaffles]

As it stands, gays have equal rights. Allow me to explain.

A gay man may marry a "straignt" woman
A lesbian woman may marry a "straight" man.
A "straight" man may marry a "straight" woman.
A "straight" woman may marry a "straight" man.

Now tell me how the hell that isn't equal?

I'll tell you how, you're using equivocation you dumb fuck. When you add gay men can marry gay men, and lesbian women can marry lesbian women then it's fucking equal. This argument makes you look like a dipshi- oh wait you always looked like that.

[GeneralFunk]

That's actually an argument borrowed from Yak. Also "Homosexual male and a homosexual female" was missed. But if you want to beat around semantics then let me put it this way, it is not equal, because a guy can't be a wife, and a woman can't be a husband.

[Storamin]

http://digg.com/d1vHQt

Who does #2 remind you of?

[DarnYak]

http://digg.com/d1vHQt

Who does #2 remind you of?

Insulting a forum admin is not a good idea. 2 hour ban!

DarnYak

[GeneralFunk]

Yay, an article that can lead people to believe they can diagnose people. I wonder if they have a special category for that as well.

[DarkNemesis]

http://digg.com/d1vHQt

Who does #2 remind you of?

You're the one that got the 2 hour ban...

...so you?

[Tehw00tz]

I read cracked whenever I get the chance and when I came to #2 on that list I had the same thought that you did, Storamin.

[Storamin]

http://digg.com/d1vHQt

Who does #2 remind you of?

Insulting a forum admin is not a good idea. 2 hour ban!

DarnYak

When I posted it I didn't actually have anyone in mind.

but looking back, I would have gone with Perhaps.

2 Hour ban for insulting an admin? who?? and if you're going to give out penalties... at least make them effective.

[Setokaiva]

one thing I don't get. Why do people care so much about gays and lesbians? They're not hurting anyone, there's no overt problem, no law that says they can't do what they do or anything. In my opinion, discrimination of any kind is pure BS and it doesn't make sense. Let people do what they want to do. Just that simple.

Marriage is a State Institution? When did that happen? I always thought it was a purely religious thing. And if it is purely religious, what right does the State have to deny someone the right to marry who he/she chooses to? Its all pure f***ing bulls***...

topped with sprinkles.

[Darkblade]

Marriage is a State Institution? When did that happen? I always thought it was a purely religious thing.

You really don't know everything marriage entails do you? Of course it is a state institution... there are legal rights provided to married couples like visitation rights, shared responsibility for debt, guardianship of children (conceived by the couple or adopted), etc.

And if it is purely religious, what right does the State have to deny someone the right to marry who he/she chooses to? Its all pure f***ing bulls***...

topped with sprinkles.

It isn't purely religious, and that is the point. As long as there is a legal aspect to marriage there can be no discrimination.

[DarkNemesis]

When I posted it I didn't actually have anyone in mind.

but looking back, I would have gone with Perhaps.

2 Hour ban for insulting an admin? who?? and if you're going to give out penalties... at least make them effective.

They're not hurting anyone, there's no overt problem

Lol, I wonder if we were saying the same thing about the Japanese right before they bombed Pearl Harbor.

This is a fucked up statement, really. You are aware that they are trying to force employers to hire them? Leaving no room for personal freedom, plus, I also heard that in some schools now they are requiring "gay-friendly" curriculum, which is bascially alot of anti-religious bullshit and an attempt to push their agenda through.

[Setokaiva]

People just need to calm down. As for discrimination, if an employer is refusing to hire someone just because he/she is gay/lesbian, doesn't that mean that person can file a lawsuit? They should have that right.

As for bombing pearl harbor... that's different. That was war. This is more like discrimination. The Japanese attacked us without provocation, but people here have to be provoked into action before they will start rioting and burning flags. Discrimination is unconstitutional, because it was said in the Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal". A value that our society was built upon is NOT something you want to tamper with, and you can only go so far with amendments before people get upset. I say we just leave well enough alone. Gays have every right to do what they do, because it was the life they chose, and this country was founded on the ideal of freedom of choice, among many others. We shouldn't worry about them like at any minute they would shoot you.

Which reminds me of a funny story. A man walks into a clerks office to get something done I forget what, but when he doesn't like the arrangement or w/e, he pulls out a 9mm handgun and tells the clerk to back the f*** off. The clerk looks calmly at the man, then at his gun, then reaches into the top drawer of his desk and produces a .45 caliber magnum revolver, much bigger than the mans gun. Then he tells the man "No, YOU back the f*** off." The man attempts to lunge for the clerks gun, but the clerk kicks the table into him, causing it to stumble over. The clerk then disarms him and holds him at gunpoint in front of the desk, then tells him to get onto the ground while he calls the cops. Saw all that on Totally Outrageous Behavior on G4TV.

[Discombobulator]

All men are not created equal.

Look at this fine aryan man:




And now look at this thing, born without a brain:


Are you SERIOUSLY TRYING TO ARGUE THEY WERE BORN EQUAL?

Wake up. Your founding fathers were idiots who only did what they did so they could get rich.

[DarkNemesis]

Ok God, you tell me which human beings get to live and which ones get to die.

I for one propose you die, or better yet, leave these forums and never come back.

Now I don't know how wonderful Serbia is this time of year, but I, being the bigoted, hateful, Conservative that I am, love this country and would much rather stay here.

Oh, and btw, in America all men ARE created equal. But that has little or nothing with allotting special rights to them.

Edit: and that THING is called a human being

[Storamin]

Let people do what they want to do. Just that simple

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[Discombobulator]

Ok God, you tell me which human beings get to live and which ones get to die.

It doesn't exactly take God to deduce which one of the two is going to live. If you say those two have equal rights, you're a retard or a liar. Not mutually exclusive.

[DarkNemesis]

You are one screwed up person if you really believe that. And stay on topic, plz.

If you're wanting to discuss abortion then make another thread.

[Dekar]

As we know, being gay is partially due to certain genes.

Should a mother be allowed to abort her son if he has the gay gene?

There you go, everythings on topic now.

[Reaper]

He wasn't talking about abortion being right/wrong. Merely equality. So pretty on topic

also uh



you aren't a mod quit trying to be one


Gays will probably eventually become legally equal

[DarkNemesis]

He wasn't talking about abortion being right/wrong. Merely equality. So pretty on topic

No he wasn't.

As we know, being gay is partially due to certain genes.

No, it isn't.

you aren't a mod quit trying to be one

No.

[Luftwaffles]

No, it isn't.

It is. As a guy, you also have a (5 + 1n)% chance to be gay, where n = the number of other brother siblings you have (the 1 is actually somewhat variable but the decimal is 2 points).

People can choose to act gay, but to be gay you have to be born with it. But seeing as how you ignore evolution, you probably also by and large ignore biology. Until you do those things, read about them, understand them and realize how stupid you are being, you really shouldn't try and get involved in this discussion. You are wasting everyone's time.

[Cokemonkey11]

*Churches are where marriages are generally held.
*Churches are non profit organizations that do not pay taxes.
*Churches must follow laws or their right to be tax free could be revoked.
*If a law was passed that allowed same sex couples to be married, they could request a marriage from the church.
*If a church, for religious beliefs, decided not to allow said couple to marry, they could theoretically be breaking the law.
*The government could at this point revoke the church's tax free status.

That's my biggest problem, but it doesn't help that I'm borderline homophobic.

[Luftwaffles]

If a person doesn't want to marry two gay people they don't have to. As long as the law recognizes that if someone does marry them and it counts then woopie.

But really, this is an EotA forum.

[Cokemonkey11]

If a person doesn't want to marry two gay people they don't have to. As long as the law recognizes that if someone does marry them and it counts then woopie.

But really, this is an EotA forum.

Yea, I'm sure they'll have nothing to say when all 5 of their local churches tell them to get lost.

[GeneralFunk]

Well that the churches' right to do so really. Telling a church how they should operate isn't really any different than saying gay people shouldn't get to legally/spiritually/blah blah blah bind together. And if it's because they believe in said religion, well just start up their own organisation for it, I mean why stop customizing the bible just now?