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 Post subject: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: May 30th, 2008, 10:17 am 
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Okay, this scarab is HOT. Not gay-hot, but still hot. He's a scarab, he's like, all religious and stuff like a paladin but he's not a simple healing sissy flailing some plastic hammer around. Much better ! Ehh... anyways. The tips I'm going to give you, I've tried and, well, made people (inexperienced and experienced) cry. The new 1.12 patch introduces his talent Overwhelming Radiance which is the focus of my build.

So, how can you play him ?

Optimizing him is a simple matter in my opinion. You're going to have lots of mana and tanking capability at start, and while slowly building up your gold and experience you'll be kicking ass around level 20 thanks to your good tanking, your great spawn control and your awesome nuking.


Prerequesites to being completely imbalanced :

-take an orb of mana, an intelligence robe and a helmet. Upgrade them equally as you get gold.
-build a generator and using it to get some crystal, which is vital for this build
-get your first point on Nightmare, and max out life wave always. When you can, take a point in tough carapace and the rest of the points go to smite.
-Later levels (around 25), sell your equipment and max out an orb of skill and an intelligence robe - the rest of the gold spent on consumables, and if you have a LOT in excess, buy the Storm Hammer.


The actual getting imbalanced :
-Use life wave often.
-Use nightmare, trying to get as many enemies as possible
-Spam smite. Like, as long as it's not under cooldown, use it.
-Apotheosis is best saved in emergency situations, especially in the lower levels. Around lv 35+, you can start using it to kill bases.

Why is it imbalanced :
-Life Wave means your spawns will get loads of hp. Nightmare means your spawns will be hurt less. These two spells combined allow you to reverse spawn waves very easily and make money.
-Spamming smite pressures your enemies. The fact that it's low level is fine because you're using it's 30% damage property and its low mana cost to make it a very cost efficient spell - use it to soften targets quickly.
-Life Wave heroes and spawns for pressure, spawn crushing and gold. By the time Life Wave is recharged most of the time, you can position yourself so that you don't heal your troops but hurt the enemy. Smite and Life Wave make for some VERY easy hero kills when you get around +50 intelligence.
-Apotheosis saves yourself from a bad situation.
-Your innate Celestial restoration coupled with your damage reducing carapace skill means you have a LOT of durability on the battlefield
-Life Wave allows you to heal your allies to keep them from being killed.

The synergy of all this makes him a very powerful... everything. He is just very powerful in every situation.

Now go own !

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2008, 10:33 am 
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not a very detailed guide and without additional stuff like pics or replays,

just a minor issue, smite can actually use alot of mana, because the mana cost is based on the damage done

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2008, 10:53 am 
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build demolished by me btw

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2008, 11:59 pm 
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I find that Divine Manifestation is much better than Apotheosis.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 10th, 2008, 5:55 am 
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Furion wrote:
not a very detailed guide and without additional stuff like pics or replays,

just a minor issue, smite can actually use alot of mana, because the mana cost is based on the damage done


You don't get it. It has a fixed mana cost, and destroys the target's mana a percentage of the damage smite deals.

Also, I didn't feel like adding pretty pictures for nothing, I think the explanations are detailed enough

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Yeah pretty badly :shock: :shock: :shock:

But that doesn't change the validity of this build.

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I find that Divine Manifestation is much better than Apotheosis.


DM was teh base destroyer of doom. Apotheosis serves differently, as you can use it to save yourself as well as buff troops a bit (the dps though is negligible)

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 10th, 2008, 6:42 am 
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Actually its true that the scarab loses additional mana for every point of damage it deals.

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Even the wiki says so!

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Oh ma gaw ! I was utterly wrong :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Divine Manifestation gave life regen, preemptively saving your life. So you don't have to wait for your army to be near dead at the towers to make use of that aspect.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Smite is a tricky thing, i tried once to keep it on lvl1 because it claims to take away 1/3 of the enemy hp.

Well it does do alot of damage at the first cast, but it uses huge amounts of mana because of the many extra dmaage points beyound the fix damage value.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 18th, 2008, 1:16 pm 
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In my opinion scarab is a little too strong now ...
Played stormwail today,Creeps vs Grim Brigade (was the Martyr) and when I Ion Surged the enemy Aborial Crusader enough to consider him almost dead(50hp at max) I got totally whiped out by an appearing Scarab using heal wave on the Crusader, healing him almost to max,and killing me with that one(had 30% life). Seriously what the heck?
A push of Aborial +Scarab both heal based is quite hard to stop...Creeps hardly ever die,heros get pushed back or smited,and when you are close to kill one of them BOOM healed at 100% again ...Not funny


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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 18th, 2008, 3:59 pm 
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Anyone else notice the Scarabs heal is bugged? It heals for like 600 at level one, if you only hit one unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: June 18th, 2008, 11:16 pm 
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[Bugfix] Life Wave could heal the target unit twice

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Scarab is at best balanced now, not overpowered.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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First off, I don't mean to criticize, but your build ideals Konnor are somewhat erroneous. Allow me to explain:

and max out life wave always--Konnor

Max out Life Wave? why? its heals like a truck at lvl 3, no need to heal for 3,000 when most of the heroes have around 1500 hp, just a thought.

Your much better off putting your points into Nightmare, or even Carapace, for those hard-hitting agility heroes imo. Hope this helped.

Edit: Ignore this post, Konnor is 100% right, ALWAYS max Lifewave. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: November 11th, 2008, 4:38 am 
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Maxed out Lifewave with 10% unused heal turned into AoE damage reaches over 800 damage, so its not the worst idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Hmm, true, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
PostPosted: November 11th, 2008, 11:52 am 
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in retrospect, this guide is even shittier than when i originally saw it.

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 Post subject: Re: Build for a scarab
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Ok, so I got curious and decided to do a single game and try out Scarabs Lifewave+Overwhelming radiance. Previously, I had always thought the talent helped a little and never really considered it further, however, after having Dekar correct me, I have discovered the talent is insane. Lifewave now, imo, makes smite obsolete. I shall always max out lifewave in further games, thank you Konnor and Dekar for correcting me!!

Scarab is a mother &$^$$%^ beast!! can't wait to do a LAN party with my friends and play him.

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